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I may just be being the pessimistic one here, but I'm of the belief that whatever the Sports Centre feel they can try and get away with to make money after such a massive investment that they need to get back (quickly) - they will be all over like white on rice. User card memberships (and their costings) is a very important issue when deciding whether or not LUUCC should use the pool.
If I'm wrong and the pool is to be hired at a cost (in the same style to Holt Park et al.) I would very gladly get out a knife and fork, some seasoning and tuck into one of my 23 hats.
As a side note, as being the person who's dealt with sorting out the club's interests with the pool over the last 12 months - I'd like to point out (based on the last tour I went on) the standard of the facilities is VERY impressive. State of the art machines, well thought out layouts, a massive gym space, impressive decor (minus the sharks) quash the misconception that all this money will have been spent with a poor result. The facilities at least I would argue are competitive to the majority of private sector gyms (well, at least the one I was a member of back in Chorley).
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Dárragh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| mattH wrote: | I may just be being the pessimistic one here, but I'm of the belief that whatever the Sports Centre feel they can try and get away with
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That's not just pessimisim... mainly fact there. |
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jh_dempsey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, just read this on the pool timetable:
| Quote: | The student LUU Club sessions are for members of that club only.
A Sports Pass membership is required to access the facility or the
appropriate walk-up fee will be payable. |
Now ive read this, i have no problem in what the union are suggesting (presuming that are also not going to charge the club extra for the use of the pool like someone above hinted at).
You do not need a sports membership in order to come to the pool sessions. You can just pay on the door at the same price everyone else will. Whether you think its worth buying a sports membership card to get cheaper entry is down to you. Will you use our canoe club pool sessions and the rest of the sports facilities enough to warrant it? For the likes of Bryn, maybe not. But for some others, it may well be worth it.
Granted that under this scheme, members are now going to be paying £3 for a pool session, which is more expensive than now.
The money we take on a monday night no where near covers the hire of the pool for an 1h30. We rely on grants from the union to plug this gap. If we didnt have this funding, then we would be charging £3 for the Holt Park pool sessions, and possibly more. For the Leeds (City) Canoe Club, the pool fee we charge to cover our costs is £4/£5 depending on if your a a member or not. £3 in this context really isnt that bad.
If you really dont want to raise pool prices, then you are going to have to see if the union is still going to be prepared to give us a grant to cover some of the members pool costs like they do now. |
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em23
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on that Dempsey, does that mean both Monday and Thursday pool sessions will cost members £3 and potentially not cost the club at all? If so surely that is cheaper than £3.50 for polo for members, and the club will not have to pay pool hire and drivers fuel/session cost. And will more people come to polo due to reduced faff? |
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Dárragh
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| em23 wrote: | | Based on that Dempsey, does that mean both Monday and Thursday pool sessions will cost members £3 and potentially not cost the club at all? If so surely that is cheaper than £3.50 for polo for members, and the club will not have to pay pool hire and drivers fuel/session cost. And will more people come to polo due to reduced faff? |
Yes potentially, but this isn't definitive costing plans yet... the SPA and/or the Union have yet to tell us exactly what they plan to charge and what stipulations this may have.
Convenience is the biggest advantage to this pool completely! It would probably help with increasing numbers of members for next year, but there's not point in saying that until we know for certain! |
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em23
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea definitely, but I reckon don't write it off as a possibility before the union/SPA makes a final decision on figures. |
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Grumpy Fisherman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| em23 wrote: | | Based on that Dempsey, does that mean both Monday and Thursday pool sessions will cost members £3 and potentially not cost the club at all? If so surely that is cheaper than £3.50 for polo for members, and the club will not have to pay pool hire and drivers fuel/session cost. And will more people come to polo due to reduced faff? |
Members will have to have the £70 Sports Card too.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jh_dempsey wrote: | | You do not need a sports membership in order to come to the pool sessions. |
Or is that just Dempsey's interpretation of it? |
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Grumpy Fisherman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oops. I'm an idiot. That seems to be correct.
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SarahW
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| Grumpy Fisherman wrote: | | I'm not quite sure where you think you could swim at a pool for less than "double the cost of a pint". If you bought the bottom Uni membership (the Sports Pass) for £70, and then the "anytime swim 12 for 10" for £35, if you were swimming 3 times a week for a year it is less per swim than the local council pools. And even for "turn up and swim" type tickets, its only £4 / £3 (peak / off-peak) for the uni pool and £3.90 (both on- and off-peak) for the council pools. |
This was based on both of my previous University's pricing structures, for facilities which are also excellent (both had 50m pools infact). Neither required any kind of membership (although they were available if you were going to use the facility regularly enough to make it worth it) and both had substantial student concessions to 'pay as you go' prices to encourage students to make use of what was available. But anyway, this is beside the point and was more my shock at the prices and annoyance at them taking fitness classes out the basic package...
My main disagreement is with them hiring the pool to us, and then charging individuals to use the pool whilst we're hiring it - if I've interpreted Dempsey's post correctly, it means we will have to pay £3 to the pool to get in, plus pay the pool session fee to the club (which the club really needs). I understand this is a business, they've spent lots of money on it, it's an excellent facility etc etc but at the end of the day, it's still a facility based on our university campus and should be allowing the university's sports clubs to use it at a decent rate. It's not going to look very good on the University when it's own sports clubs can't afford to use it's facilities, is it?
I don't want to detract from the hard work put in by club members (Matt, Gro and the committees) alongside Geoff and Anne-Marie in making the new facilities accessible for us, as you've done a great job (I'm well chuffed we've got an extra half an hour for polo!) - I'm just a little disheartened about the attitude of the sports centre towards university clubs use of the facility.
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SarahW
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| Grumpy Fisherman wrote: | | Oops. I'm an idiot. That seems to be correct. |
Possibly me too, but I'm not sure! I was interpreting the quote at the top of the post which *to me* says you have to be a member of the sports club who are holding the session, and have to pay the appropriate fee to the sports centre to get in...
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jh_dempsey
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| Quote: | | if I've interpreted Dempsey's post correctly, it means we will have to pay £3 to the pool to get in, plus pay the pool session fee to the club (which the club really needs) |
Im assuming that because we are going to be individually paying the pool direct to get in, then there is going to be no cost to the club itself for the pool hire (surely they cant charge us on two fronts? You cant pay for things twice!)
If this is the case then the club does not need the £1.50 from pool sessions because that was all going towards the payment of the pool hire.
Its an interesting direction for the uni to take because if we dont have enough people coming to pool sessions and paying to cover the cost of the private hire for a week, that was our problem as a club.
Now if we get a quiet week at the pool, its the university pool thats losing out money wise. Bit of a gamble on their behalf?
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Grumpy Fisherman
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| jh_dempsey wrote: | | Quote: | | if I've interpreted Dempsey's post correctly, it means we will have to pay £3 to the pool to get in, plus pay the pool session fee to the club (which the club really needs) |
Im assuming that because we are going to be individually paying the pool direct to get in, then there is going to be no cost to the club itself for the pool hire (surely they cant charge us on two fronts?)
If this is the case then the club does not need the £1.50 from pool sessions because that was all going towards the payment of the pool hire. |
That is how I read it.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to me this is simple mathematics that even a Sport and Exercise scholar can handle.
University Pool:
Cost to the club of a block booking for hire for 2 sessions - £x
Cost to the individual each session (which goes to the Sports Centre - i.e. "the walk-up fee") £3?
Cost to the individual which goes to the club - £1.50? (for both Mondays and Thursdays). I don't think it's right to say at this point that the club does not need this - I think someone needs to sit down with at very worst an abacus at some point and work it out
Total cost for the session to the individual - £4.50? (too much IMO)
I doubt the Union will give us more money to eliminate the usual £1.50 fee.
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Holt Park/Armley:
Cost to the club of a block booking for hire - £y+z
Cost to the individual for each session in total - £4 (based on £1.50 for Mondays, £2.50 for Thursdays)
Cost of a dayrider for Mondays - £4?
Cost of fuel to Armley/Holt Park - negligible (£price of a pint)
This is all that needs to be considered.
Until we have something concrete from the Union however which the Captain and the committee can feed back to members, all of the above are just presumptions (admittedly mostly made by me  ).
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